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Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End review
Simon Brew
After a week of heavy speculation, and one of the best cliffhangers in Doctor Who memory, was Journey's End worth all the hype? Here's our review...
Oh dear.
If The Stolen Earth pumped us up with excitement, then Journey’s End eventually, after some promise, took a pin and slowly deflated us. Because as the episode wound itself into its back third, once all the scores seemed to have been settled, it was clear that this wasn’t going to be the classic series finale we’d been teased with. And while it was better than last year’s The Last Of The Time Lords (even if it didn’t necessarily feel like it immediately after the end credits), this was still a major missed opportunity, and a real disappointment.
After all, it’s only a week ago that The Stolen Earth had spent 50 minutes building up to a threat far more striking and vicious than we’ve seen in Doctor Who over the past few years. It also left us with a cliffhanger that genuinely left you wondering what on earth was going to happen next.
Yet it didn’t even take a minute to piss that away. As many suspected, the hand next to the Tardis proved to be vital, as a quick special effect later, and the Doctor had taken whatever energy he needed from the regeneration, and diverted the leftovers onto his hand. Think back to The Christmas Invasion all those years ago: did we ever think that the Doctor’s severed hand would become the get out of jail card it’s become, lining up next to the sonic screwdriver and the psychic paper in the armoury of get-outs and plot devices? And yet its role in this muddled episode had only just begun.
Once over that initial anti-climax, and the reintroduction of Mickey and Jackie to blast away some Daleks to save Sarah-Jane (along with some time bubble to keep the Torchwood folks safe), it seemed the ante was being upped again. There was an increasing feeling that the Doctor was powerless, and that it would really take something quite brilliant to beat the Dalek threat. Heck, this time the pepperpots could even – amusingly – fly over Germany, speaking the lingo too (a genius moment, to be fair). And when the Doctor revealed that the Daleks could blast away the Tardis door without a second thought, it was defences down in every sense. Had the Doctor ever been so vulnerable in the face of his deadliest enemies?
It was building up a treat. Julian Bleach’s Davros was banging on well, even when he got to the now-traditional ranting and raving. What’s more, the part of the script where Davros drew parallels between the two, ‘exposing’ the Doctor’s soul and asking “How many have died in your name” – as his assistants lined up with the kind of mass destruction weapons that the Time Lord abhors – was really well done. Let’s not forget too the moment where Davros recognised Sarah-Jane from Genesis Of The Daleks. That was a classic Who goosebump moment surely, for the long-time fan of the show.
Still, it all came crashing off the rails.
Let’s deal with the Daleks masterplan first. If the ending of Last Of The Time Lords was from Superman (with everything being rewound, and the reset switch being flicked), this was straight out of Superman II, as the Dalek’s weapon was inevitably concentrated on themselves. Had Russell T Davies stayed on for another series, then I’d dig out my copy of Superman III right now and save myself the bother of writing the end of series review in two years’ time. Combined with the bizarre sight of the Tardis pulling, well, an entire planet, it wasn’t anywhere near what last week had been tempting us with. That’s being a little kind.
Then there was the threefold Doctor. The duplicated Tennant, with the half-human twist, was a bit of a muddle, and in the end only really seemed in place to give Rose her long-cherished happy ending. But the turning of Tate into half-Time Lord was quite bizarre. Catherine Tate has spent most of the series showing the early naysayers that she’s a good actress, and that she knew what she was doing. Then, at perhaps her most crucial point of the run, she turned into the Catherine Tate we feared we were going to get. All of a sudden, a force that just an episode ago caused Captain Jack, the Doctor and Sarah-Jane to give up without a fight were rolling over like dominoes, beaten by some fast typing and Tate one-liners. At a push, it’d be a struggle to get away with that in an early series episode, but this was the series finale.
What was also disappointing was how Davros was allowed to peter out. The mechanic of having him as effectively a prisoner of his own creations isn’t new, and it does – as a narrative device - help to level off the old problem of him making the Daleks around him seem weak. But once he’d done the necessary taunting of the Doctor, and had his weapon turned against him (actually, that happened last time we saw him too, in Remembrance of the Daleks – you’d think he’d put in a failsafe for these things, given that he’s such a genius), he all but disappeared. A shame, as the maniacal man is safe in Julian Bleach’s hands, and once he’d gone, the episode fell into its worst excesses.
Chief among them was the ‘second’ Doctor being left with Rose, with the pair of them snogging away on a Norwegian beach. The speech that the Doctor gave her, about how before he met her he was full of anger and rage pretty much pretends that the preceding 40 years of assistants and characterisations of the Doctor never happened. It also, presumably, guarantees Tennant a cameo option long after he hands over the key to the Tardis. After all, all that stuff about everything being sealed off for good last happened two years ago, yet wasn’t enough to keep Billie Piper’s name off the credits this time round.
But then there was also the unwillingness to follow through on Dalek Caan’s prophecy that the most loyal of assistants would die (which looked even more certain when, two thirds of the way through, we had a big happy-clappy session in the Tardis). Granted, when K9 popped up you did wonder if he would prove to be the way out, but instead it was a mini-reset switch that was opted for, as the crosshairs on Donna Noble’s head were quickly Tipp-exed out in favour of reaching for the Undo option. I’ve defended several times the reluctance of Russell T Davies and his team to genuinely kill off interesting characters, but this was a case where you couldn’t help but feel it should have happened. Instead, Donna was left back as Catherine Tate, so she could start work on another series of her sketch show as if the last thirteen episodes had never happened. It might not have dampened the sense of loss that the Doctor was showing at the end, but it did feel like one of a number of small-to-middling cheats that Journey’s End employed.
You’ve probably got the impression by now that, for this reviewer at least, Journey’s End was quite a disappointment. To be fair, it did have its qualities, and if the ‘resetting’ of Donna means we’ll never meet Bernard Cribbins in Who again, then that’s a sad day, because again, he easily showed many of those around him how it should be done. Likewise, there’s a sporting chance that we’ll never again meet Elisabeth Sladen in the main Doctor Who programme either, and that too is a pity, for much the same reason.
Furthermore, the effects continued – pulling Earth aside – to impress, and there was an awful lot crammed into the episode, even considering its extended running time. Threads were tied up, and there was a real feeling that a lot of backstory was being pulled together, at a break-neck pace. If you didn’t care so much about the programme and its narrative, and were just looking for a fast, glossy hour in front of the telly on a Saturday night, then it probably did the job very well.
But for everyone else? It simply didn’t feel like it had the courage or intention to follow through on the set up from The Stolen Earth, and that’s a real shame. For while time is likely to view Journey’s End as a decent enough end to a series, the potential was here for it to be so, so much more. Instead, it feels like the ball has been smashed wide just on the verge of scoring a spectacular goal. For years into the future we’ll continue to rewatch and enjoy the build up, but still wonder what’d have happened had the finish been better.
You could argue that it’s a fair reflection of the yin and yang of the Russell T Davies era, where brilliance has to go toe-to-toe with frustration. Writing as someone who had, more often than not, enjoyed what RTD has done with his revival of Who, I’d probably go along with the argument. After all, just a few hours ago the speculation was still raging about whether they’d have the courage to replace Tennant in what would have been the biggest surprise the show has ever pulled. Now? We’ve got two of him instead.
All considered, a Saturday night is far better with Doctor Who on it than not, and series four has had plenty of highlights. But maybe a two year break now to recharge the batteries before another full series isn’t a bad idea. It won’t stop us tuning in at Christmas for the Cybermen though….
Check out our review of last week's The Stolen Earth
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User's Comments
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI have to agree with this review, from an adult perspective , however my 12 year old son absolutely LOVED it, he jumped up and punched the air shouting yyyyyyyaaaaaahhhhssss when K9 popped up. However again he had a lot of questions.
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Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewTrue. I don't think I've ever been so deflated. While I was never, ever convinced there was going to be a new doctor without the media finding out about it, I did at least think that the "loyal companion" would be Rose, and that she would die. But no. They basically repeated the end of series 2 for her. And Donna's story was supposed to be very sad, obviously, but when you think about it, what's so sad about it if she doesn't even remember all that happened? It's not as if she's glimpsed all these amazing things and then has to go back to normality - that would be really hard to cope with. But as it is, she was just left in a state of ignorance which, in this case, really is bliss. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewAlso ... the matter of there STILL being something on Donna's back as mentioned in the stolen earth ... was that explained? | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewA shark-jump of galactic proportions. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI thought she said 'You HAD something on your back' as she handed over the water, whilst she was having a heartbeat moment on the steps .
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Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewTo be honest I was prepared for a bit of a let down after all the excitement of last week. If the Doctor had changed into a new incarnation then that would have been the best kept secret at the BBC for decades. So the fact that he didnt change was not a surprise.
Even with the extra length the episode seemed rushed, with the cliffhanger of the Doctors regeneration swiftly dealt with - a bit like a Flash Gordon episode.
Donna's transformation into the DoctorDonna was too convenient, and the way her increased intellect quickly dispatched the daleks with a few lines of technobabble was contrived - and to be honest almost a copy of the first series finale, with Rose gaining knowledge that her human brain couldnt handle by looking into the heart of the tardis and then killing all the daleks - Donna getting knowledge her brain couldnt handle by getting a bolt of timelord regeneration power, and then defeating the daleks.
None of the companions died as foretold in Dalek Caan's prophecy - and even if you count the fact that Donna is killed by Davros and then regenerates into the DoctorDonna - that is still not an "everlasting death" is it? Neither is having all your memories of the Doctor taken away.
It's a shame that Catherine Tate will not be getting the chance to develop the character of Donna for future series - I was very sceptical at first, but grew to really like the character and I feel slightly cheated we didnt get to see more of her adventures.
I hope the next companion is as interesting - how about an alien looking companion? | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewmaybe the quick flash of K9 means that it could be a sci-fi one man and his dog next series ?! | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI liked the reference back to when Gwen Cooper was Gwenyth in the Charles Dickens episode with Ecclestone and Piper. The Unquiet Dead. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewOh and finally... the Grange Hill conscience prick of Donna being 'brilliant'.. the doctor is brilliant he tells us nearly every episode (the saving of Riversong and the hidden green squares in the sonic screwdriver being one definitive moment , that I dont know how it happened as he was still a prisoner when she died and the squares petered out)
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Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewIt was the best of times......NOT! Too formulaic, too pat, to much shipper wanking......and the Daleks are gone again! There were so many possibilities for this episode, so many things they could have done which would have been fantastic and would have left an awesome legacy for the next series. Instead we are left with the cold bitter ashes of what could have, should have been. And the bloody overdone music..turn it down! I for one need the hiatus to come (and maybe the Doctor's new handy dandy mind meld powers) to erase this awful tripe from MY mind! | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewIf this had been RTD's swansong, it would have been a pity to see him go with such a weak, weak, weak episode. As it is, it is a pity that this isn't his swansong and I am filled with the dread of dragging myself to the telly for the disappointment of the next Christmas 'special.'
As for this episode, the most pertinent comment I can make is that as a long-term Dr Who geek I thought it deplorable, with just about every decent option for the story line being thrown into the spotlight of sentimentality whereas my partner, who refuses to watch any pre-Ecclestone Dr Who, thought it marvellous. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewThis was a flawed finale - though not quite as broken as last year's. With three changes, it could have been brilliant:
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Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewOh dear indeed. My first thought after watching the episode was not 'there are now two Doctors', not 'I was so wrong thinking Donna was Romana', not 'Bernard Cribbins was brilliant - by far the best actor on screen' (although he was...). No, it was 'I want Dalek Caan to have his own chat show, or present the Lottery or sing our next eurovision, or something. And when the best thing in a Doctor Who episode is a puppet, there is something very wrong indeed. Time for a rest now Doctor, but first more Cybermen so cheesy they are even branded with the letter C for cheese (or do they just need constant reminders of who they are?). Not happy. That finale had too many McGuffins, too many ideas buzzing around and not enough heart. And I'm a fan. RTD - we'll always be grateful you brought the Doctor back, but really 'Journey's End was space pants (as seen saving the planet Earth in 2010, but never before having been mentioned in the show...) | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewSimon, I guess I'm just more of a 12 year old boy than you are, because I did the air punch-ing and the edge of my seat-ing like he did.
Other points:
Reference to Gwen's "relatiive from the past," from The Unquiet Dead, check.
Jackie Tyler gets dissed, check.
Doctor-Rose snog leading to happily ever after (maybe even a Doctor/Rose sitcom in 15 years where they run a travel agency with Carol Beer working for them), check.
(By the way, as Donna would say, copyright me!)
Get Mickey and Martha to Cardiff for the Torchwood miniseries, check.
K-9 cameo in advance of new series, check.
A good cry at the end, check.
Bernie Cribbins looking after the Doctor from afar, check.
It all worked for me. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewSheesh, I just now read all the other comments.
Maybe a more casual viewing in a couple weeks time will help.
I had a great time.
Really did tear up at the end. That old guy really ... well, he reminds me of my grandfather, to be honest. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI loved it, personally. I know what you mean about the cheap outs, like him not regenerating by using the hand trick, but they set it up and we've never seen that before, so I give them credit for that one. The mind meld thing, yeah, a bit like Superman II where he did that to Lois Lane with a kiss. Huh?
But I think it was a very entertaining story and it tied up all loose ends and even worked in lots of stuff for old fans and new. I have to bow to RTD's skills. Even when he resorts, on occasion to cheap outs like the end of last season's finale.
I do think you're missing an obvious point when he tells Rose he was angry when she met him. he was talking about CE (#9), who was more angry than previous Doctors. He wasn't referring to, say, John Pertwee.
Hey, at least Davros was in character and not acting like a Batman villain like last year's Master. No, this finale was miles better than last seasons. No comparison. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewWhy RTD, why? So good at building it up, and so good at letting us down! Always the finales with Daleks or the Master or Cybermen are developed well, goosebumps etc., and the resolution is then just so rushed and trivial. 'This is a terrible danger'.... one week later....'Oh, hang on, if I just do this...sorted'!
Was that a 'valid' regeneration? Having two doctors existing is just terrible (why did the other not have to die? - and how much Tennant DNA is now floating about the universe with the 'daughter' too?), Martha and Osterhagen was a pointless device, Jack/Mickey/Jackie were pointless, Davros was wasted (Davros is back, hooray. Oh, hang on, he's gone again!), Daleks turned into ridiculous pussies, K9 just pops up. WTF?!?!?!?!? And to top it all Donna ended up normal, despite all the buildup and possibilities hinted at. I know the message is that 'even temps in Chiswick are special', but what a load of old baloney.
Shame on RTD. Roll on Moffatt | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewNo middle ground on this one, it seemed that people either loved it or hated it according to reviews across the net. My own views are:
1. It felt rushed, there was so much happening, I will need a second viewing just to make sure I got all the plot points.
2. Too many characters, giving everyone a slice of the script was difficult and it showed, then they added a second doctor just to add to the fun.
3. Daleks bumped off way too easily, one moment potential dominant race in the multiverse the next they are gone.
4. Why did the TARDIS keep Donna? Its seems to have been responsible for her metacrisis and memory loss - bit nasty that!
All in all a good episode although not perhaps what we were expecting, RTD and co had set up such expectations and there was so much speculation that practically nothing could have exceeded what the fans had decided was going to happen.
One definite disappointment Xmas special = Cybermen, OK I know the costumes are expensive but enough! | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewAhh Yeah ... David Tennant Regenerates Into ... David Tennant ? The Tenth Doctor, The Eleventh Doctor, The Eleventh Doctor, Tenth Doctor ?!? Yeah ... Sure, Right, And Grass Is Green, The Sun Is Yellow And That's What Makes Sky Blue !!! Sorry I Know It Makes Some Sense, Still, What Crap In Pants Insanity Is This ?!!? Dude ... | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewVery poor. Is this the RTD legacy, to develop intriguing scenarios and then entirely flush them away in the first two minutes of the pay-off episode. The irony of this must be having brought 'Who' back to us, he then committed some of the cardinal sins that caused it to be taken off in the first place. He appeared to have thought up the Stolen Earth without actually working out what he's do next, and then couldn't be bothered to come up with anything better! The return of the Cybermen at Christmas said it all, 'I have no more ideas...'. Perhaps he should of stopped before now. As this turned out to be the 'pointless season', where everything that happened was ultimately pointless. This show needs new threats, new thinking and an actually pay-off to the build-ups. | |
Attn : Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewYeah No, I'm Sorry, This Is So Why Till We See Paul Mc Gann Morph Into Christopher Ecceleston, I Refuse To Acknowledge Existence New Who As Cannon ! I Know That's Not Cool Considering Russel T Davies Has Done More For Doctor Who Than Any Other Producer, Still, I Don't Know And Don't Care ! Journey End Was Crap !!! Speaking As Guy Who's Got Most Of Old Doctor Who On Tape / Dvd, I Just Want To Say With New Series Starting With Season Four Finale, This Shit Pisses Me Off !!! Two Sheds Is Just So Right, Journey End Was Shark-Jump Of Galactic Proportions !!! The Pain Is Cosmic ... | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End review@Discrespective: Tennant's Doctor didn't regenerate. He used the energy to heal himself, then siphoned the excess off into his hand before he changed. A perfectly reasonable fantasy explanation - but rushed and a little lost in the noise of the episode. | |
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Ahhhhh Okay ! Thanks Khodge For Taking The Time Out To Explain It To Me Because Like You Said Episode Was Rush And You Can Really See Why I Got That Wrong !!! Thanks Again Mate !!! There Are Things I Could Get Into With What You Just Said To Me Dude, Still There Are No Answers To It, So Yeah, I'm Gonna Leave It Like It Is ...
Again Watching Journey's End For Third Time ( I Really, Really, Need To Get Laid ... ) I Think I've Fucking Finally Found What My Issue Is With Russel T Davies Dr Who. Maybe It Because He's Gay, He Doesn't Go Far Enough For Me With Doctor Who, He Doesn't Go All Way !!! Like Looking Back With First Season Finale ! How Wickardly Awesome Would Of It Been When Rose Absorbed Time Matrix She Not Only Destroyed Daleks, But Yeah Ended Time War And Restored Gallifrey And Timelords With The Doctor Standing On Gallifrey Going At Her " Come Here ! I Think You Need Doctor !!! " ?!? Second Series Finale ? How Way Cool Would It Of Been If Not Only Daleks And Cyberman Team Up But Gallifrey High Council With The Doctor On Ruined Planet Earth, Both Fighting Some Epic Struggle That Threaten The Universe's Survival ? When Master In Third Season Aged Doctor, How Sweet Would It Of Been If He Didn't Just Aged Him, He Also Turn Back Regenerations So You Would Had Seventy Six Year Old Tom Baker Instead Sitting There Going " Ahhh Yes ! The Master Is Cake Baking Mad And I've Got Buns In Oven ! Don't Think I Won't Stop You This Time Master ... " With Fourth Series Finale That We've All Seen With Crazy Ass Dalek Cann Supposely Rearranging Time, How Incredible Would It Of Been If He Manage To Make All Nine Doctors Show Up At The Same Time To Stop Them When Nobody Else Can ? That's The Thing I Hate With Russel T Davies. As Kick Ass As This Show Has Been Because Of Him With Amount Of Serious Effort And Planning It He's Put Into It ( Again I'm Not Knocking Him ! I Mean Come On, As Much As The Guy Given Us Something To Complain About This Episode, It Still Doesn't Mean He Doesn't Deserve Every Compliment He Gets !!! ) When Comes Time To Pull It Off Like With The Finales That When This Show Sucks Balls ! Yeah Man, Journey End ?!? That's Just Sort Of Shit That I Won't Miss, When He's Gone ... | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI liked the episode. Could be because I like Catherine Tate. What she can be funny. But the new companion is it really going to be Lily Allen because that's what I read a few months ago. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewIt is so frustrating being a doctor who fan...sometimes I think, is it worth it? :) No it is, just this episode was so annoying! It really had moments of brilliance. I loved the way Donna said goodbye, but jump the shark or what? | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewIt is so frustrating being a doctor who fan...sometimes I think, is it worth it? :) No it is, just this episode was so annoying! It really had moments of brilliance. I loved the way Donna said goodbye, but jump the shark or what? | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI must not be a true Who fan, because I was able to watch the entirety of this episode, laughing at the funny parts, crying at the sad parts, gibbering at the action, without once picking holes in the plot or trashing the actors. Do you get paid for this? | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End review\/ It's called caring. Try it some time. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI am sad to see that hardly anyone seems to share my point of view that the one thing that really ruined the episode was the Rose-clone doctor thing. I found it so disturbing, almost sickening.
For one thing, I believe in the old series way of doing things where romance with companions is just a no. I think this must be the main reason, it just doesn’t seem right, he is a time lord and no human could ever really understand him or be on the same level with him. At the end of the day he is a different species, it was so great when Donna came because she was the first to actually get that. Also the whole situation is messed up, it's a clone of the doctor, living in a big house, growing old and other things I don't want to think about that the doctor just plain shouldn't be doing. He is an explorer, half human or not. What about Mickey, the poor thing has been cheated out of his whole life and agreed to it without a care, just for the sake of a soppy plot line.
The whole clone doctor thing shouldn't even exist, for two reasons. Firstly Donna absorbed the docteryness just fine, no need to grow a whole new doctor after that, she could have done everything he did on her own (apart from live happily ever after with Rose of course). Secondly, he sent all that regeneration stuff to the hand, this might sound odd but shouldn't the hand have regenerated? Then you would be left with a non David Tennant doctor growing out of the hand, which just wouldn't do 'cause nobody would want to snog it.
This really is an awful shame because I have never felt disappointed after an episode of doctor who and now the Doctor rose companionship that I missed so much is spoiled to me by the yucky image left behind. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewWhen i watched this on Saturday night I just about enjoyed it but also found it very lacking and disappointing. Tonight I watched both parts back to back and they both definitely improve upon a second viewing. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI have to agree I really wanted there to be a bittersweet ending with Donna, if she had died saving the world she wouldn't have just been a 'temp from Chiswick' but alas...
One question though if Donna couldn't survive as a Timelord/human Donna mix how could the second Doctor survive as a timelord/human? It has been bugging me since Saturday night... | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewMostly disappointing but some good bits.
Bad bits :
- Osterhagen key - pointless.
- Backslapping - too American.
- False regeneration - falsely building up my hopes.
- Big Red Kill-All-Daleks button - Not Again.
- The Tardis tows the Earth back and a couple of ornaments fall off the shelves ?
- Oh look, the girl from Torchwood looks just like the one we accidentally killed in Victorian Cardiff.
- Davros completely underused.
- And Finally. Wasn't a most faithful companion supposed to suffer everlasting death ??????
Good bits :
- German daleks.
- Bernard Cribbens.
- That aTardis needs six pilots.
- Bernard Cribbens (Well he's good).
- Davros.
- Dalek Kahn.
- Oh and Bernard Cribbens
I found it very hard to believe that Rose would accept a cheap copy of the doctor. Not only was it not the real doctor, it was also half Donna, no ? Of course, if all she really wanted was a shag ... ?
Why didn't the doctor use the Tardis to change DoctorDonna back into a human like in "Human Nature". All the doctor would have to do was give Bernard Cribbins a fobwatch and say whatever happens don't let her have this.
Is David Tennant now the eleventh doctor as well as the tenth ? It should count as a regeneration shouldn't it ? If this doesn't count, then why would Timelords ever need to regenerate ? All they would need do is shunt the excess energy into an unused finger they'd prepared earlier, and they could live forever.
Now If I'd a written the final episode:
The doctor would not have regenerated either but would have channelled the energy into his third hand using it as a sink, only a temporary measure of course, the sink will eventually release the energy and he'll regenerate, but for the moment he can stay lucid,
Dalek Kahn would have kidnapped Paul McGann as well as rescue Davros.
Davros would have killed Paul McGann and stopped him regenerating in order to watching the doctors timeline unravel and his assistants disappear.
Then Donna would sacrifice herself to use the hand to provoke the McGann ecclestone regeneration
And finally Ecclestone and Rose would simultaneously press the big red button that kills the Daleks.
Ecclestone would go off to complete his destiny and meet Rose and accidentally kill a girl in Victorian Cardiff who looks just like the girl in Torchwood that he doesn't know about yet.
Rose realizing that she really loved Ecclestone dumps Tennant and goes back to the real Earth with Jack and Torchwood.
The doctor takes Donna's body back to Bernard Cribbens and they both cry a lot.
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Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewYou obviously saw a different programme to me. It rocked! Compared to the drivel that was the Season 2 finale of 'Heroes', 'Journey's End' was a masterpiece! Roll on Christmas! | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewI'm seeing a lot of people on the internet who feel let down by this season finale. But I suppose it was always going to be very hard to follow up the excitement of the previous episode's cliffhanger .
Yes, it was a bit anticlimactic and a few fans had far better ideas for the finale. All the loose ends were tied rather too neatly and future cameo options left open.
But I suppose it's also to do with the format of the show and the fact that actors are unwilling to commit for very long runs, as I suppose that's why Catherine Tate's character had to be dispatched in that way, albeit leaving open the option of a future cameo should her other projects dry up.
And yes, Rose's resolution also felt rather strange. A bit too neat but unsatisfying at the same time. This "and they lived happily ever after" didn't really feel that way. She goes for one man and gets another one. Although I suppose the other one will turn out to be a better option in the future, when he's no longer a young-looking 37 year-old against yourself turning 60/70/80... | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewcommon! im not seeing enough support for what i think was the best series ending of the four so far! i had a feeling the BBC wouldnt be able to keep a new doctor quiet and to be fair i still prefer it this way rather than a new doctor such as the awful james nesbitt.
the only thing that bothered me was the departure of cathrine tate, Donna was a great character, funny and didnt spend all her time pining after the doctor. im sad to see her go. S4 finale definitely made up for the shocker of last years, Bring on the Cibermen!!! | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewAlso: a big deal was made of Rose's return, but when she actually does turn up, it leaves us a bit underwhelmed. Her character did not get the proper writing/screen time it needed. No doubt that was done so that she wouldn't upstage the whole finale, but why bring her back at all in order to leave us cheated? We all wanted a satisfying resolution between Rose and the Doctor and didn't really get it. We got every single character popping up when Rose was all we wanted. It was a case of too much happening and not enough time devoted to a specific strand of the story. But all in all, TV with Doctor Who is better than TV without. Bring on the Xmas special. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewSorry, was completely underwealmed by this episode.
I felt this was probably the new series equivilent of the Five Doctors - a bit of a pointless excuse to get as many familiar faces on the screen as possible. Except this time we arent celebrating the show, RTD is congratulating himself and his era on the show.
Was there really any reason for most of the returning companions to be there at all? Was there any reason for the creation of the "human" Doctor other than to pair him off with Rose at the end, ready for the slash fiction? And (and don't take this the wrong way) I really wanted Donna to die, just to affirm the constant hints that she'd be killed off and bump up the tension. It seems no one actually dies or "leaves" Doctor Who anymore. You know they'll be back for the series end.
Catherine Tate's acting as DonnaDoctor was awful, I could handle her "serious" acting as Donna, but this was too much like one of her "comedy" characters. I can't help but think that it would have been better if Donna on her own could have saved the day, rather than the Doctor part of her mind doing all the clever thinking. Surely that would have fitted RTD's philosophy of the Doctor encouraging normal people to do something extraordinary alot better than suggesting she's too thick to think of a solution herself.
I did love the moment when Davros recognises Sarah though, but the bit when the similarity between Gwen Cooper and Gwyneth from Unquiet Dead is "hilarously" pointed out in some wannabe post-modern moment, made me want to throw the remote control at the TV. Did the Doctor never think of telling Martha she looks just like that bird in Torchwood Tower who got her brain ripped out?! Maybe that's what put him off her! | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewTo baxter81 below: I found your comment about Gwen/Gwyneth quite funny. As far as as Martha/Torchwood girl is concerned, that was addressed by Martha herself confiding to the Doctor that her "cousin" had died in the Torchwood Tower. | |
Re: Doctor Who series 4 episode 13: Journey's End reviewSimon - loved the review, thanks. (Okay, I loved it because you said everything that I was thinking!)
But reading some of the comments here, and hearing others from friends and colleagues, one thing puzzles me: why this belief that Journey's End couldn't (possibly!) have lived up to our expectations?
Is RTD capable of only one stonking good episode ever? Why should we NOT be surprised to be let down? In future, shall we not bother watching the follow up to a particularly good episode because it will be a disappointment?
Blimey, it's almost like it's our own fault for getting too excited! |
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