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5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film

Simon Brew


Fridges are not superhero protective armour. They are fridges.

With the news that a story for Indiana Jones 5 is now in place, we put together our wishlist of what we do - and don't - want in the next film...

Published on Sep 15, 2009

The latest update on the state of a fifth Indiana Jones movie suggests that the story for the film is now in place, and the process of banging it all into a screenplay is underway. This, inevitably, led to one of our wishlists: on the off-chance that those putting together the next Indiana Jones adventure are reading, is there any chance of just considering these five small suggestions?

There are, inevitably, spoilers here if you've not had the pleasure of Indiana Jones & The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull yet...

1. Shia

I've nothing personally against Shia LaBeouf, nor do I subscribe to some of the less complementary things written about him. As an actor, I thought he held the screen well in the central role in Disturbia, and while he's hardly a Robert De Niro in waiting, he's a perfectly fine blockbuster movie leading man.

And, if I was him, I'd have snapped up any role offered in a fifth Indiana Jones film without even reading the script. The problem is, that does seem to be what happened. It was the most disconcerting sight of the movie - worse even than the son of Superman subplot unsubtly bubbling up in Superman Returns - to see him pop the infamous hat on his head at the end of Crystal Skull, and the mere thought of him picking up some kind of Indy Jr franchise is not a happy one. Here's hoping that Shia's role is curtailed for Indy 5, which given that a further Transformers film is on the way too, might yet happen.

2. Work out who's in charge


Steven Spielberg and George Lucas are both very rich and very creative people, who in different ways are at the top of their game. I'm pleased for them, and you can't deny that they've gambled, innovated and earned their place at the top of the tree.

They're both also financially independent, and don't have to take crap from anyone in the business. With Crystal Skull, you can't help but think that was part of the problem. In the olden days on the Indiana Jones movie, there was a clearer distinction - at least this is how it appears from here - between who was in charge, and who had ultimate final say. Crystal Skull, though, was a mishmash of the pair's differing approach to things. One minute, you had an old fashioned action movie, the next a dollop of effects out of nowhere. And it seemed to dull the talents of them both: neither was anywhere near the top of their game with Crystal Skull.

Hierarchy on a movie project, we'd wager, is a good thing. And Indiana Jones is crying out for a single boss, rather than a committee...

3. An ending worthy of the name

I'm struggling hard to come up with a blockbuster ending that's been anywhere near as poor as the bizarre conclusion to Indiana Jones & The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull. Never mind the carnival of special effects that seized control once the film entered its final act (and, inevitably, we're coming to them later), the key problem was that the alien finale simply wasn't good at all. From the moment Indy and his followers enter the chamber, Crystal Skull is a dead film.

The series has always, to an extent, been built on some degree of 'fantasy' elements (the walkway in Last Crusade, the ark in Raiders), but it's been deep-rooted in the spirit of the early adventure films, and that's what was thrown out of the window with an ending that a) made little sense, b) offered little entertainment and c) was, if we're cutting to the chase, just plain terrible. Contrast it to the ending of Raiders Of The Lost Ark, or the saving of Sean Connery in Last Crusade, and it's barely fit to grace a straight to DVD sci-fi wreck, yet alone an Indiana Jones film.

Gents? You've had your fun. Can we have our proper endings back now, please?

4. Common sense

I'm all for a bit of escapist fun in the movies, but I'm not utterly stupid. My scientific qualifications are fairly weak, but I could comfortably predict that, were I sat in a fridge when a nuclear blast went off, I would not survive. I'm going to go out even further on a limb here, and suggest that even if said fridge wasn't instantly taken out by the blast that had managed to completely level everything else, I wouldn't walk out of it were it instead flung a great distance. Fridges are not superhero protective armour. They are fridges. I find them perfectly fine for keeping things cold, but that's pretty much it from where I'm sitting.

By all means be creative, and by all means have fun with the narrative. But please: don't rely on something so ridiculously dumb that it flies in the face of simple human common sense.

5. Put the computers away

The biggest plea of all. If I could get just one wish off this list, this would be it (although the knock on effect, of course, would be that the ending options would be altered). I recall much being made - and it may be my memory playing tricks on me - of the fact that with Indiana Jones films the action is primarily in the view of the camera's lens, and thus special effects were supposedly firmly off the agenda for Indy 4. Hmmm.

Granted, special effects were present and correct in the earlier films, but they were tightly woven, and for the most part hardly overt. But from the opening shot of Crystal Skull, through to the influx of bugs, the simply embarrassing snake sequence and the aforementioned denouement, this is a movie that feels like it was overtaken by effects from the off.

George, Steven: please. Leave special effects to Michael Bay. He likes them. Sometimes he slows them down enough these days so we can even watch them. Instead, can you not trust yourselves to make an old-fashioned action movie - the original thinking behind Raiders, after all - without the need to boot up your Apple Macs?

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Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By cordas 1 September 15, 2009 08:50:49 AM

4) I wasn't that bothered by the nuked fridge, it was a single throw away scene. Yeah it was daft but hey its Indy daft is allowed. I was far more put off by the atrocious duck fight in the rain forest, it made no sense... From the moment they needed to have a huge chopping machine to make a road that got blown up, so the ducks could race ahead on the road that hadn't been made, to it splitting into a 2 lane road to allow them race alongside to the fencing on the back e.t.c. I like my stunt sequences but when they are this retarded (even worse than the ice dancing cars in Bond) it just sucks every ounce of joy out of the movie!!! A little thought goes a long way in making these sequences work, and that was sadly missing :(

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By Scott 1 September 15, 2009 09:00:48 AM

I don't mid the fridge scene at all, I think its quite in keeping with the previous films, showing Indy's ingenuity. Also - the bomb was dropped miles and miles away from the fridge. The fridge is riding the shockwave, and its not the only thing to survive the blast, there's tons of other things flying around. In my mind its no more ludricrous than the mine car chase in TOD

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By DamonD 1 September 15, 2009 09:14:06 AM

Crystal Skull just felt like it was missing something for me. I don't really have a problem with anything much at all in it, some of the fierce derision for it in some quarters is bewildering, but it just never sparked into proper life for me. Your points seem pretty good, all I can really say is go what they did in Crystal Skull - but a bit better! The McGuffin will be key for Indy 6, they need a nice juicy one...

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By cordas 1 September 15, 2009 10:13:38 AM

Indiana Jones 6: Finding the decent Dan Brown plot.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By etoh76 1 September 15, 2009 10:37:04 AM

I for one hated the fridge scene. As Simon said its simply not a survivable event. Compare for example the raft scene in Temple of Doom, as far fetched as that seemed at the time you could still reason that it might work, given perhaps a combination of skill, timing, and luck. No-one survives either an atomic blast in a 1950's fridge, or the crushing effect of being hurled through the air in one for several miles. It's not a Roadrunner Cartoon. I hated the fencing scene, in which the main protagonist (Natasha from Rocky & Bullwinkle) who gets off on the fact she's a master swordsman by the way she's always flashing her blade gets held off by a boy who's main ability his combing his hair. I hated the vine swinging scene in which said haircomber was able to skilfully intercept a very fast moving convoy of cars, aided along the way by very Pro-American/Pro-Democracy monkeys. I think maybe Lucas is forgetting that "The Force" wasn't around in 1950's America, and Indiana Jones and Indy Jr. aren't Jedi - unless, shock horror, that's precisely where he's going with the characters (ET was in TPM after all). One of the most disturbing things I saw in Indy IV however was that Lucas seemed to be suggesting that the McCarthy fanatics were in fact correct - That the US was crawling with Russian agents in the 50's after all. Elia Kazan, all is forgiven.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By etoh76 1 September 15, 2009 12:20:02 PM

antagonist - not protagonist

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By kail 1 September 15, 2009 12:41:58 PM

LOL Simon. Compared to UK fridges, 1950 US refrigerators are indeed superhero protective armour , if not better. ;)

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By FrenkyA9 1 September 15, 2009 01:30:38 PM

I'm glad to see the embarrassing vine swinging scene also included in the post by Etoh76. How could Shia as a Tarzan jr. swing so fast to intercept the cars he was bumped off?? Most Indy stunts used to be dangerous, unlikely but still realistic, like being dragged underneath the truck in part 1. I can forgive them the armoured fridge joke but not the lame Tarzan stunt!!

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By searlej 1 September 15, 2009 02:07:00 PM

Nazis in South America during the 1960s searching for the fountain of youth should remove the bad taste of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Oh, and get Lucas a new title-creator program for his Mac.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By j_0rdan 1 September 15, 2009 05:30:30 PM

I also didn't mind the fridge scene, weren't old fridges thick and made of lead? In terms of a Indy action movie I found it plausible, but I can't forgive 1.Smart man eating ants that build ant towers to eat humans, 2. The embarrassing snake scene and 3. The tarzan scene.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By ltally 1 September 15, 2009 08:16:57 PM

Let Frank Darabont do the script not the bloke who did Crystal Skull and please no more tarty Tarzan tree swinging if I wanted to watch that sort of ridiculous shit id watch the Mummy

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By spago 1 September 15, 2009 09:45:14 PM

even the slightest inkling of a darabont script should have been enough for them to burn the atrocity that they actually used, let alone a full bloody script. Just goes to show that even the most powerful figures in the business sometimes make silly, silly mistakes.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By benheck 1 September 16, 2009 01:20:39 AM

I only want 1 thing - DON'T MAKE IT. Indy 4 was horrible, let us count the ways! Grenades filled with gunpowder, a skull that is only magnetic when convenient to the story, having a giant tree cutter and nobody goes through the blades, a pointless Karen Allen, Indy forced to stare at a skull, a f'ing UFO, atomic bomb scene that served no purpose - let alone the fridge thing, no booby traps, heroes constantly captured over and over and the biggest sin of all: At the end when Indy calls Shia "Junior", Shia DOES NOT SAY "Don't call me Junior". That might have saved the moronic UFO ending right there.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By Headache2112 1 September 16, 2009 04:45:44 AM

Can anyone figure out why "all-knowing space aliens" at the conclusion of #4 was so "out of sync" with what Indiana Jones is supposed to be about... Yet skeletal ghosts zooming around searing through people, killing them (except if you didn't look at them) at the conclusion of #1, was perfectly acceptable? I myself fall into this category. I thought the aliens in #4 were silly. I thought the skeletal ghosts in #1 were cool. They're both so fantastical in concept. What is it that makes the difference?

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By becasmar 1 September 16, 2009 05:47:03 AM

I am a huge fan of the IJ saga, Raiders is my fav movie of all time, and personally for me, Crystal skull was missing something that all the others had, which was really depressing. maybe Spielberg and Lucas just need to find their roots again, find out what made them want to make Indiana Jones in the first place, or maybe even enlist the help of Robert Mckee?

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By LizLemon 1 September 16, 2009 06:44:23 AM

@ Headache2112 - my best guess is that Indy always knew the basis of the myths or abilities of 'objects' as well as their history. There were surprises, but he always seemed in control. Crystal Skull, if I remember correctly - and I don't really wanna watch again to refresh my memory - seemed like all about it was new to Indy and it robbed him of his own 'magic', if you will.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By cordas 1 September 16, 2009 07:44:50 AM

@Headache2112 - I think the difference was the Arks ghosts where cool because the movie upto that point was excellent so we went with the flow, the Aliens sucked because the movie up to that point had been awful.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By zenith 1 September 16, 2009 12:07:24 PM

"I thought the aliens in #4 were silly. I thought the skeletal ghosts in #1 were cool. They're both so fantastical in concept. What is it that makes the difference?" Where aliens are sci-fi, biblical spirituality isn't. Indiana Jones isn't sci-fi. Therefore Aliens shouldn't be in Indy. If the prize was a ancient skull from either religious, biblical or mythical (or even real) history - fine, Aliens just don't work in the Indy context. Dammit Jim, he's an archelogist (sp?), not an astronaut.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By heyitsadam 1 January 12, 2010 08:00:53 PM

All you had to do was say the aliens weren't leaving the planet until ALL of them were together again. All for one, one for all. Indy puts the skull back and blammo, they're back together and they leave. This whole quest for knowledge premise was just silly. They over-thought it.

Re: 5 things we want from the next Indiana Jones film
Posted By mstexascity05 1 February 9, 2010 04:42:34 AM

I want Shia!!!!!! I loved him in the last one. I think he helps movie the story along. I love the scenes with Harrison & Shia. They both are awesome together! :)
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